"Is al-Qaida weaker or stronger than it was on September

11, 2001?" asks Frances Townsend, Assistant to the President

for Homeland Security. "It's weaker if the talking point is how

President Bush is leading us to victory in the war on terror.

It's stronger if the talking point is why criticism of President

Bush makes us more susceptible to terrorist attack."

Five years after 9/11, Osama bin Laden is still at large.

Is that a failure of White House policy? "Well," says

Homeland Security Adviser Frances Townsend, "I'm not

sure -- it's a success that hasn't occurred yet. I don't know

that I view that as a failure."